Wider context of the CPAC panel where this took place:

TRANSCRIPT:

DAVID HOROWITZ AND SUHAIL KHAN, PART ONE

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SEAN HANNITY:

And conservative commentator David Horowitz had this to say about Suhail Khan and Grover Norquist, claiming that Khan—with Norquist’s aid—had infiltrate CPAC, the Bush White House and the conservative movement on behalf of the Muslim Brotherhood. Now in a minute, both will be joining us, but here’s what David Horowitz said this weekend.
DAVID HOROWITZ:

The Muslim Brotherhood has been wildly successful in its plan to become part of America’s civil culture and infiltrate the institutions of America’s civil governments, including the White House and both political parties. And the conservative movement as well. Suhail Khan is the proud son of Mahboub Khan and his protege. As he is also the protege of the convicted terrorist Abdul Rahman al-Amoudi. Suhail has also been made a board member of the American Conservative Union and was the moderator on a panel on religious liberty yesterday at this event. Suhail Khan used his offices in the Bush White House with Grover’s support to carry water for the terrorist Sami Al-Arian in an attempt to ban the use of secret evidence at terrorist trials. Over the last ten years, the influence of the Brotherhood has spread throughout our government.

SEAN HANNITY:

All right, that was David Horowitz. Also this weekend, Suhail Khan at CPAC. Here’s what he said.

MAN:

What I have a problem with is they say, you know, jihad is their way, you know, martyrdom is their goal. I mean–

WOMAN:

[OVERLAP] I understand all of those things–

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] You got your answer, so–

WOMAN:

[OVERLAP] I know, I understand all of those things–

MAN:

[OVERLAP] Mr. Khan? [OVERLAPPING VOICES] The Muslim outreach of the Muslim Brotherhood–[OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SUHAIL KHAN:

There is no Muslim Brotherhood in the United States.

MAN:

There’s no Muslim Brotherhood in the United States?

SUHAIL KHAN:

No.

SEAN HANNITY:

And they’ve said there’s no Muslim Brotherhood in the United States. David Horowitz is with us with the Center for Freedom and also Suhail Khan, member of the board of the ACU and senior fellow at the Institute for Global Engagement. Gentlemen, welcome to the program.

DAVID HOROWITZ:

Thanks, Sean.

SEAN HANNITY:

All right, well, David, why don’t we start with you? I watched your entire speech and I—it was interesting everything that you said and I’m going to give you guys a chance to debate this out here, because this is important stuff and what you’re saying is pretty important if, in fact, it’s all true. I want you to explain it.

DAVID HOROWITZ:

Well, the statement that there’s no Muslim Brotherhood in America is one of those splitting hair statements. There’s no formal public overt organization. But the Muslim Brotherhood has set up all these front groups, CAIR, the Muslim Students Association, the Islamic Society of North America. And we know this because the FBI raided the offices of the Holy Land Foundation which was the largest Muslim charity in America. But also was funding Hamas. Hamas was created by the Muslim Brotherhood which has spawned twelve terrorist organizations, including al-Qaeda. So we know who—what the groups are. The first one they set up—the document that the FBI captured said, you know, this is the plan to destroy American civilization and we’re going to do it through these organizations and the first one is the Muslim Students Association, which there’s a video of Suhail saying my father was the founder of the Muslim Students Association. Then there’s the Islamic Society of North America, which Suhail’s father, also by his own account, was on the ground for in founding. And his mother, to this day, is on the board of CAIR, which is a spin-off of Hamas. Four of CAIR’s top executives have been convicted of terrorist activities. So you have to ask yourself, you know, what is Grover Norquist doing in this company? Grover, during the Cold War, was a champion of the free world against a totalitarian enemy. But here, he’s a shill for them. I mean, you know, we’ve been talking about this—Frank Gaffney, actually, has done major work on this. You know, for a good, well, I published Frank’s article seven years ago. And there’s never been an answer to any of these charges. In fact, Suhail, when he contacted me, you know, said it wasn’t true about his father. His father wasn’t—according to Frank’s piece, wasn’t—Suhail’s father was the founder of a mosque in California which hosted the blind sheik two months before the blind sheik’s terrorist group blew up the World Trade Center, injuring a thousand people and killing six. And then in 1995, Suhail’s father hosted at one of his mosques—he had three of them—Zawahiri, the number three, number two leader of al-Qaeda. Suhail, you know, he fudged when there was a fundraiser for Zawahiri in our conversation But he denied that his father was anything more than a member of the mosque. So, you know, we–

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] Sean, can I respond to some of these lies that David here is making?

SEAN HANNITY:

I’m listening. Go ahead.

SUHAIL KHAN:

Yeah. So this is just an ad hominim attack that are full of things, actually things that are not true, Sean. These attacks go back ten years. They’ve been looked into and debunked by the Secret Service, by the FBI, by the National Security Agency, and by journalists at The Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, and National Review. And most recently, the leading conservative leaders, including folks at CMP, and the ACU board. This is completely nonsense. These attacks on me and my parents. My dad never hosted al-Qaeda or anybody raising any terrorist funds. That was published at Frank Gaffney and David’s behest by Investors Business Daily in 2006. They issued two retractions, cause once they looked into it, they found it was completely true. Grover, as David says, again, got me—did not get me into the White House, did not get me on the ACU board, I was elected to the ACU board by the ACU membership. I’m the only member elected at large popularly, the highest vote-getter by the ACU membership. And that was after Frank tried to smear my name. I never brought al-Amoudi to the White House as David says that I did. I didn’t have any association with him. The White House sent me to an event to get an award from an organization where al-Amoudi was—this was long before he was engaged in any crime. If David and Frank have problems with people introducing me at some event the White House sends me to, they should pick the bone with the White House, not with me. And finally, he says that I was carrying water on behalf of Sami Al-Arian at the White House on secret evidence. That was the president’s policy. Not mine. In a 1999/2000 debate, the president wanted to get rid of secret evidence, I wasn’t even working for the president at the time. I mean, time after time, these things come up—they’ve been completely knocked down by law enforcement who know what’s going on. The ACU board most recently, all thirty members, got the guilt by association–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] All right, let’s get focused here–[OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] –stood by me one hundred percent and said that David’s accusations and Frank’s accusations are completely untrue. And that’s why going back ten years this stuff has been floating around the net, mainly on David’s website and no one that matters in the conservative movement and the ACU members that voted for me, believe any of it.

DAVID HOROWITZ:

Okay. Sean, in the first place, none of this has been debunked by anybody, including the ACU board. [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] Investor’s Business Daily issued two retractions.

SEAN HANNITY:

Well, let’s go one at a time.

DAVID HOROWITZ:

You know, just let’s pick one. The fundraiser at Mahboub Khan’s mosque for Zawahiri was reported–
SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] There was no such fundraiser. That would have been Sacramento, California. Two hours away from our mosque. Sacramento is two hours away from Santa Clara–

DAVID HOROWITZ:

The San Francisco Chronicle and The Washington Post published this story based on evidence provided to the FBI by two cell members. [OVERLAPPING VOICES] al-Qaeda cell members–

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] –they checked with the FBI, they found out that that was completely erroneous and it was Sacramento, California [OVERLAPPING VOICES] That’s why they published a retraction.

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] –this al-Amoudi is in jail, he’s spent twenty-three years in jail for terrorist activities. There are videotapes of al-Amoudi praising Hezbollah in front of the White House. And Hamas–

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] –in front of the White House. That’s a lie, David. Come on, you’re making this stuff out of whole cloth here. [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] All right, hang on, let’s—hey guys, hang on a second. One at a time. David, finish your thought, then we’ll go back.

DAVID HOROWITZ:

Yeah, so, well, Suhail, what do you think of Hamas?

SUHAIL KHAN:

I condemn any terrorist organization, including Hamas–

DAVID HOROWITZ:

I didn’t ask you that.

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] Muslim Brotherhood. Any terrorist group. And I condemn Frank Gaffney and David Horowitz for questioning my loyalty to our country.

SEAN HANNITY:

Is Hamas a terrorist organization?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Absolutely. Absolutely. Any organization–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] Is the Muslim—Is the Muslim Brother–[OVERLAPPING VOICES] Hang on, hang on on a second. [OVERLAPPING VOICES] Suhail, Suhail. Is the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization?

SUHAIL KHAN:

–for a living. And what I do for a living is I work at–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] I’m not asking you what you do for a living. Is the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Absolutely.

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] Okay. And Hamas is and Hezbollah is, correct?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Absolutely.
SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] Okay. What about the group CAIR, which—whose name came up in the Holy Land Foundation trial?

DAVID HOROWITZ:

Which his mother is the board director of.

SUHAIL KHAN:

CAIR and ISNA were organizations—in the Holy Land trial, came up and were listed as unindicted co-conspirators. As a lawyer, I have to question whether there is evidence. I have no problem taking them to court and convicting them.

SEAN HANNITY:

How many members of—how many members of CAIR have been found to be involved in terrorist organizations?

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] –co-conspirators, they were unindicted—named co-conspirators by the FBI and by the prosecutors. You know–

SUHAIL KHAN:

Look, I don’t, I don’t [OVERLAPPING VOICES] First of all, I don’t work with CAIR–

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] Let me, let me explain a little further. Grover set out a Muslim institute. This is years ago. And it’s right, really, after—after al-Amoudi had praised Hamas and Hezbollah. And he appointed as his director of his institute, a man named Seferi [PH], who was al-Amoudi’s right hand. Then Sami Al-Arian, you know, of course George Bush—they got, through Grover’s influence, they got Al-Arian to—to Bush. And Bush signed on to it. And that wasn’t—and the reason that Al-Arian was doing that was because his brother was going to be deported with the use of secret evidence. And the reason that secret evidence is crucial is because if we reveal in court, if we can’t use secret evidence in terrorist trials, the government is pushed to reveal how it got the evidence. And this is very basic. And the ACLU and some libertarians, you know, have opposed the use of secret evidence. But Sami Al-Arian formed a whole civil liberties—this man was the head of Palestine Islamic jihad in America. [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] –all true, but it has nothing to do with Grover or myself, David. You can’t just bring up all these things and tie them to me. [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] –with your name at the top as the one who approved [UNCLEAR] and it was either al-Amoudi or al-Arian–

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] –my name was not at the top. That’s another lie. David, you don’t know what you’re talking about. My name was not at the top of that [OVERLAPPING VOICES] what you’re talking about. [OVERLAPPING VOICES] I will tell you, Sean–

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] There’s a White House list with your name at the top. [OVERLAPPING VOICES] the White House. [OVERLAPPING VOICES] But that’s not the point–

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] White House list. But it wasn’t my list. [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] –repudiate your statements that are on videotape, you know, quoting the, you know, the Koran is our, you know–
SUHAIL KHAN:

No, I did not.

DAVID HOROWITZ:

We love death. You know, the founders of whatever it is. We love death more than our oppressors love life. And with al-Amoudi saying how proud you are of your father. [OVERLAPPING VOICES] –of your father who–
SEAN HANNITY:

Go ahead.

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] –founder of the Muslim Students Association. And a founder of the Islamic Society of North America. You repudiate all that? You repudiate al-Amoudi and your associate with him?

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] I have no association with al-Amoudi. I don’t have any association with any terrorist organization. I’ve been a [UNCLEAR] conservative. I joined the Young Americans for Freedom when I was on a college campus back when you and your parents were communists fighting against our country. [OVERLAPPING VOICES] There’s no reason I would ever be even around the president of the United States without the highest security clearances and the bottom line is you haven’t pointed to any single thing that I’ve done other than serve our country with distinction. For eight years, I served in the Bush Administration. I served on the Hill before that as a conservative activist. [OVERLAPPING VOICES] I continue to serve on the conservative movement. [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] –part of a totalitarian movement that wants to destroy the United States and you have never, you haven’t repudiated this [OVERLAPPING VOICES] Grover Norquist was on the front lines of the battle against the communists in the Cold War. Silent on all these issues, all—our government has been—we have—there are high officials in Homeland Security that are members of the Islamic Society of North America. Which is a Muslim Brotherhood front. Where is Grover Norquist on this? And where are you on this? When I left the left. When I left the totalitarian movement, people knew about it. Because I repudiated and I warned people about the dangers–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] All right, let me, let me take a–

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] You’re a silent infiltrator is what you are. And I can’t trust your words because I know that—I mean, you’re a devout Muslim. Grover probably is as well at this point. But you, you know, you lie to infidels. That’s what–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] All right, I tell you what. We got to take a break. But Suhail, we’ll give you a chance to respond when we get back. We’ll go into al-Amoudi a little bit and some of the fundraising aspects of this. David Horowitz, Suhail Khan, much more coming up right here.

[END OF PART ONE]

DAVID HOROWITZ AND SUHAIL KHAN, PART TWO

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ANNOUNCER:

Talking point. He is the talking point. Sean Hannity is on the radio.

SEAN HANNITY:

All right, as we continue with David Horowitz and Suhail Khan, all right, let me see if we can get you back on track here. Let’s—part of this seems to hinge around the relationship with al-Amoudi. And why don’t we give both of you an opportunity to describe who you think al-Amoudi is. Cause I have a full printout shout here on him and I just wanted to get your thoughts first. [OVERLAPPING VOICES] Suhail?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Let me respond to that. Al-Amoudi is a figure who’s now serving twenty-three years for taking money from the Libyans to try and kill the Saudi monarch. And he should rightfully be sitting right where he is and that’s federal prison. And I have no problem with that. I don’t have any association with al-Amoudi other than he, when I was sent by the White House to get an award at some event, I read a letter from the president, an al-Amoud introduced me, gave me an award and I went back to the White House to finish my job. And based on that, because this guy later after that—couple of years later, got arrested for this assassination plot, and is rightfully doing time in prison–

SEAN HANNITY:

All right, [OVERLAPPING VOICES] so al-Amoudi, by the way, from what—if al-Amoudi, hang on a second, hang on—he’s a self-described supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah, correct?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Yes.

SEAN HANNITY:

All right. And he cultivated ties with the Democratic party, correct?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Yes. Absolutely.

SEAN HANNITY:

All right. And then we have the connection with him and Norquist. Frank Gaffney wrote that the investment began. Al-Amoudi wrote two personal checks, ten thousand dollar loan, in what appeared to be a ten thousand dollar gift, to help found Norquist’s Islamic institution, correct?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Yeah, so what happened there is Norquist found—Grover Norquist founds his organization called the Islamic Free Market Institute, and al-Amoudi tried to influence that organization. He writes two checks. And after he makes these comments in support of Hamas and Hezbollah, Grover Norquist rightly cut off ties with al-Amoudi. How did those checks—or how were–
SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] Well, apparently, the money might have come from Muammar Gaddafi.

DAVID HOROWITZ:

But Sefari [PH] was the director. And [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] Let me finish the description. So those two checks are written to Grover Norquist. So he makes those comments in front of the White House saying that he’s in favor of Hamas and Hezbollah. So Grover says, you know, stay—we don’t want to do anything more with you. [OVERLAPPING VOICES] And you also have to ask yourself, Sean, where—how were those checks obtained? The copies of those checks were obtained because Frank Gaffney broke into Grover’s offices and got all kinds of documents, including copies of those checks and then tried to go back there–

SEAN HANNITY: [OVERLAP] All right, we’re getting off track here. Now, hang on–

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] No, let’s go back to Suhail’s complete misrepresentation of his appearance with al-Amoudi. He didn’t come and read a letter from the White House. If you look at the tape, you see al-Amoudi introduces him and praises his father and all the service the father has done to our cause. Then Suhail comes on and praises the work his father’s done for the cause and says I [OVERLAPPING VOICES] I will dedicate my life to this cause. That’s what–

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] David, I know that’s something new to you, that we’re talking about the cause of patriotism. [OVERLAPPING VOICSE] My father came to this country to escape from the persecutions [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SEAN HANNITY:

All right, let’s, sorry, we’re not getting anywhere. Hold on a second. So your father—wait a minute, wait, wait. What is the relationship—what is the relationship with your father and some radicals?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Zero. None. There’s no relationship to any–

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] He’s the founder of a Muslim Brotherhood front. That means he’s a  Muslim brother. [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] My father was a high tech engineer from southern India. He’d never been to Egypt. He supported no terrorist causes. He was a patriot, worked on the space shuttles in the 1970s, the whole city of Santa Clara shut down when he passed away in 1999. The mayor came out, Jewish, Christian leaders came out in strong support of my father. And it’s just disgusting that people like David and Frank would question my dad or my mom’s loyalty to this country who are proud, loyal Americans who came here because we’re a free democracy–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] All right, let’s give David a chance to respond now. David?

DAVID HOROWITZ:

Well, look, I know a lot of people who fight for democracy and freedom who don’t go through this routine of we—we love death more than they love life. Who don’t talk—Suhail wasn’t talking about the democracy. He was talking about the Muslim ummah.

SEAN HANNITY:

You have this on tape?

DAVID HOROWITZ:

It’s on video. Have somebody on your staff call Frank Gaffney. I have the zip file, but I’m at a, you know, I’m in an airport. Yeah, it’s on tape.
SEAN HANNITY:

Did you ever say that, Suhail?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Let me, let me–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] Does that tape—no, I’m asking, does that tape exist?

SUHAIL KHAN:

I gave a speech about people like Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King and how they were willing to give their lives towards freedom. That’s what I was talking about. And anybody who sees that entire speech, it was to a Muslim, Christian, and Jewish audience, about dedicating one’s life to freedom, even if that means giving your life for freedom. That’s what I was talking about.
SEAN HANNITY:

David, what makes you think that he was talking about something else?

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP]–Rahman al-Amoudi. Perfect.

SEAN HANNITY:

David, hang on a second. What makes you think he was referring to anything else but what he said?

DAVID HOROWITZ:

Cause I didn’t hear any of the other—I mean, you have to ask Frank. [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] –if you listen to the speech, you would know I talked about Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and people who had given their lives, including early Christian martyrs who gave their lives rather than give up their faith. And fight for freedom. I talked about poverty and how people—I was talking to a room full of yuppies about how they should rededicate their lives towards justice, causes of freedom, both here in the United States and around the world where you have poverty–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] All right, let me ask—let’s move on and let’s talk a little bit about CAIR and the relationship with CAIR. By the way, Suhail, are you on the board of CAIR?

SUHAIL KHAN:

No.

SEAN HANNITY:

Have you ever been associated with them? Have you ever been associated with CAIR?

SUHAIL KHAN:

No. I’ve been to CAIR events. I know some of the individuals. I’ve never been a member of CAIR. I have lots of problems with CAIR. [OVERLAPPING VOICES] David, can I please answer the question? I have problems with CAIR—I do have—and the people who have been associated with CAIR that have made comments, you know, in support of extremism, I definitely condemn all of that. So that’s, you know, that’s fine–
SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] All right, but why would you go to, hang on, why would you go to an event at CAIR, knowing they’ve had all these associations with radical people?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Because I have not seen that the organization itself is something that–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] Wait a minute. Weren’t there a number of people arrested that were leaders of CAIR over the years?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Absolutely.
SEAN HANNITY:

You know, so, so, wait—hold on. Hang on a second. Wait a minute. Here’s my question. So why would you hang out with a group that associates itself with radicals?

SUHAIL KHAN:

No. I don’t hang out with them–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] Why would you attend—all right, let me say it again, Suhail, you’re playing word games here. Why would you go to an event with a group that associates with radicals?

SUHAIL KHAN:

I would not go to any event that associates with radicals–
SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] Is CAIR a radical—wait, wait, no, stop.

DAVID HOROWITZ:

His mother’s on the board–

SEAN HANNITY:

Is your mother on the board of CAIR? [OVERLAPPING VOICES] Hang on. One thing at a time. Is your mother on the board with CAIR?

SUHAIL KHAN:

My mother is on the California board of CAIR. Correct.

SEAN HANNITY:

Does that—well, now, let’s go back. Wait a minute. So you’ve gone to CAIR events. Your mom’s on the board of CAIR. Your father has somewhat of a controversial upbringing in terms of his associations. My question to you is, knowing the radicals that have associated with CAIR, and I forgot exactly how many people have been arrested over the years, I think it’s four, why would you go to any event or have any association with the group?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Because I don’t believe that CAIR itself has a terrorist support–

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] –supporter of Hamas. Come on. [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] – they should be shut down.

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] –we’re dealing with a stealth operation. We’re dealing with–[OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] Guys, guys, it’s David’s turn here. Go.

DAVID HOROWITZ:

We’re dealing with a movement that regards us as infidels who deserve death and a movement who believe that if they give their lives killing us, they’re going to be saints and go to heaven. And deception is the main weapon here. Of course, when al-Amoudi does a really stupid thing like going in front of the White House and saying, do we support Hezbollah, do we support CAIR, and Hamas, which is on video, when he does something stupid like that, you have to cut him off. That’s exactly right. And you have to say all the right things and pretend to embrace, you know, ecumenical, you know, Jews and Christians. But know people by their acts. And we are under attack and I do not see Suhail Khan or Grover Norquist standing on a rampart in the vanguard defending us from attack. And that is Grover’s M.O. in everything except the assault by the Islamic jihad. There, he appoints al-Amoudi, this terrorist’s right hand, Sefori [PH], as the director of his Muslim institute. And Grover, I wrote, when I printed the first article, which was seven or eight years ago, in Front Page, I printed a long introduction where I praised Grover to the skies and say how sad I was that I had to print this, and my pages are open for Grover to respond, and Grover never did respond and when I, you know, met up with him at CPAC, again, years ago, he said, I said, Grover, these are very serious charges, you need to answer them. He said, I’m too busy with the revolution. And that told me everything I needed to know.

SEAN HANNITY:

Do you think [OVERLAPPING VOICES] and David, let me ask you this, how then did Grover get people that you are saying have radical ties into the White House?

DAVID HOROWITZ:

Suhail was on the [UNCLEAR] approving the guest list. I’ve seen the guest list. And Frank Gaffney can provide it to you. Somebody xeroxed that guest list–

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] That guest list was a White House–

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] –get to be the, you know, the White House aide at Yalta and at the creation of the UN after Whitaker Chambers told the undersecretary of state that this man is a Soviet agent? [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] Look, I don’t know what you’re on here, but you’re just making wild accusations. I never brought al-Amoudi to the White House. I never brought Sami Al-Arian to the White House. The records show that I have no association with them other than that one time I went to an event that the White House sent me to and al-Amoudi gave me that award and that was it. I never brought any of these guys to the White House–[OVERLAPPING VOICES] Grover got me the job at the White House. He did not get me the job in the offices at the White House. Leslie Westing was the person, I worked for Karl. And I’ll tell you what, you know who I brought to the White House a lot was Frank Gaffney. Every time he’d call and beg me to get him into events, I would get him. And not once did Frank or David call me to say, hey, I’m hearing something and I have questions about you, your father, your mother, no. Because before 9-11 they knew there was no appetite for this. And they had no problem calling me to get personal favors–
SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] All right, let me go back to—let me go back to the issue, let me go back to the issue of CAIR and Nihad—I think it’s pronounced Awad. Who was the executive director of CAIR for awhile, because I want to go back—you seem to be sort of glossing this over a little bit, Suhail, but I want to give you a chance to respond to this. You know, there have been radical leaders of the group CAIR. You go—you’ve admitted you go to some of these events. You’ve said your mother’s on the board of the California chapter of CAIR. And I’m trying to understand, if you go back, this guy Awad could pull off this tribute, you know, etceteras, etceteras, he had personally declared he was a supporter of the Hamas movement. And raised money. He was included in the Holy Land Foundation benevolence international foundation, etceteras, etceteras, I’m a little bit hazy on why it is you just brush that off considering their troubled background.

SUHAIL KHAN:

I’m not a supporter of CAIR. If CAIR is in any way associated with Hamas, I would support—be the first to support them being shut down–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] What about the people—wait a minute, you’re just, you’re talking in circles. We about the people we know that have been associated with CAIR that are radical? That already has been—that foundation’s been linked, we already know that to be a fact. So with that knowledge, why would you still go to a CAIR event?

SUHAIL KHAN:

If Hamas is a terrorist organization, Sean, and if they’re–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] You’re not answering my question.

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] –if they’re associating with a terrorist organization, whether it be Hamas or the IRA or anybody else, they should be–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] But there have been a number of CAIR leaders that have been arrested over the years.
SUHAIL KHAN:

Sure. You said there were four. And I support that. All I’m saying–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] So wait, wait, so wait a minute. If they have all these radical leaders, and then—why would you still hang out with an organization that has no qualms with–

SUHAIL KHAN:

First of all, I don’t hang out with them. I’ve been–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] Why would you go to an event?

DAVID HOROWITZ:

Why wouldn’t you encourage your mother to get off the board? [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] Wait, wait, stop. Let him answer that question. Why wouldn’t you encourage your mother to get off the board?

SUHAIL KHAN:

I have encouraged her to get off the board. And we talked about that. The issue is this, Sean. If CAIR is a terrorist organization–
SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] I didn’t say it was—I said it associates with radicals. That’s what I said. I didn’t call it—and so my question is, so you have gone to events of CAIR–

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] –spawned out of Hamas by the Brotherhood. You know, this is—we have a real problem in this country. The Muslims [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] Let me answer the question. Because you’ve had your rant [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] –is running Jew hatred [OVERLAPPING VOICES]

SUHAIL KHAN:

[OVERLAP] Do you know what I do for a living, David? Do you know what I do for a living? You know what, Sean, you know what these guys never tell you I do for a living? I work at an evangelical Christian think tank that works on religious freedom around the globe. I’ve traveled to Israel–

DAVID HOROWITZ:

[OVERLAP] Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s the coexistence theme. It’s the—you know, poor people, of course. Great. You want to work—why aren’t you out there defending the Jewish kids who are under attack by Muslim Students Association across this country–

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] All right, guys. We are–

DAVID HOROWITZ:

Why are—if you understand what this threat represents, why aren’t you out there and why isn’t Grover out there defending the Jews on the campus?

SEAN HANNITY:

[OVERLAP] I tell you what I’m going to do. I’m going to invite both Grover, Suhail, I’ll invite you back, David Horowitz and Frank Gaffney, because I think we got to get to the bottom of this. All right? But just out of time for this hour, unfortunately, it went by fast. Two important items. I want every one of you to read, because we’re going to be discussing them on this show in coming weeks, and I’m going to have them sent to you at your house for free, all you have to do is sign up on hannityforhillsdale.com. Now the first is a speech by Congressman Mike Pence on the presidency and the U.S. Constitution. Now Mike Pence, a conservative, solid through and though, gave the address at Hillsdale College [UNCLEAR]

Suhail Khan is a regular guest on the Rachel Maddow Show.  Associated Press columnist David Bauder said Maddow is “[Keith] Olbermann’s political soul mate” and the Olbermann-Maddow shows are a “liberal two-hour block.”

During this appearance following the Fort Hood Massacre, Suhail Khan adopts the talking points of CAIR:

RACHEL MADDOW:

What’s your reaction when you hear a conservative writer equating al-Qaeda and the Council on American/Islamic Relations, which of course condemns violence and has long since specifically condemned the Ft. Hood shootings?

SUHAIL KHAN:

It’s just another instance—a sad instance—you know, we are in a national period of mourning after the tragedy of Ft. Hood where we lost so many lives senselessly, this unfortunate incident where there was violence and people were killed and wounded and it’s even more sad to see that there might be some who would use and exploit this tragedy for their political partisan and, worse, for their racist ends…

He blames the massacre on post-traumatic stress syndrome and refuses to allow for any religious motivation to the shooting, echoing the sentiments of CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad who said “No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence.”:

We’ve seen a high incidence of suicide, unfortunately, in the military. In the last four years, we haven’t seen these numbers since the Vietnam War. And so we do need to do more to study issues like post-traumatic stress syndrome…

But to put a religious face or to try to discriminate against whole groups of people is just sad. And again, just exploiting the tragedy for a very ugly and bigoted means.

The interview closes in a genial fashion:

…there are rumors that I’m a very liberal person and I’m hard to talk to. I really appreciate you crossing the Rubicon and talking with us, Suhail.

SUHAIL KHAN:

Hey, thank you, Rachel.

On another edition of Ms. Maddow’s show, Khan refers to the authors of the book Muslim Mafia – which exposed the Muslim Brotherhood in America – as “professional bigots,” a phrase right out of CAIR’s playbook:

It’s disgusting, it’s sad. And we have, particularly after 9-11, the same professional bigots—is what I call them—have gone after other Muslim-Americans serving their government

…

RACHEL MADDOW:

Who were the professional bigots that you met?

SUHAIL KHAN:

Well, there’s the authors of this book. They’ve been joined by others on the internet and it’s really invidious because not only do they go after these innocent Americans who just want to serve their country, they’re really—they’re making money off of it. And that’s what this is all about.

…

they’ve been duped by these professional racists out there and I think if we can work with them, I plan to talk to them and try to educate them about the realities.

Over the past months Suhail Khan has been a regular guest on “The Alyona Show” on the Russia Today cable network:

Russia Today is a Russian government mouthpiece that the U.K. Independent newspaper has described as the “Kremlin’s news network” featuring “a quixotic blend of news and conspiracy.”

Suhail Khan has described his mother as a willing and integral collaborator with his father’s life-long work, and independently she serves in a leadership position with the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a widely recognized Muslim Brotherhood front group.

• In an address to the ISNA annual convention in September 2001 – shortly before 9/11 – Suhail Khan took evident pride in the leadership role his mother had played in a number of Muslim Brotherhood organizations:

She worked with her husband to establish organizations like the MSA, ISNA, CAIR, American Muslims for Global Peace and Justice.

• Addressing the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) conference in 1999, Suhail Khan stated: “I have pledged my life’s work, inspired by my dear father’s shining legacy, and inspired further by my mother’s loving protection and support to work for the ummah.” “Ummah” is a term that conceptualizes all Muslims as living under one united polity with one united purpose, and is frequently used by Shariah-adherent Muslims to advocate for a revival of the Caliphate (Islamic Empire on earth).

• Malika Khan currently serves on the Executive Committee of the San Francisco Bay Area (SFBA) chapter of the Council on America Islamic Relations (CAIR), an organization the federal government has tied to Hamas and that was yet another unindicted co-conspirator in the trial of the Holy Land Foundation conspiracy.

• CAIR’s parent organization the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) is listed among the Muslim Brotherhood’s own “organizations and the organizations of our friends” in their Explanatory Memorandum (PDF, p.32).

• In January 2011 her CAIR chapter placed a poster on its website promoting an upcoming conference that encourages people not to talk to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.  CAIR-National has since instructed the chapter to remove the poster, but the conference will go ahead as planned.

Evasion:

• In his January 2011 letter to the ACU board, Suhail Khan painted a benign picture of his “mother, who until her recent retirement, worked as a medical technologist at the Sisters of Mercy O’ Connor Hospital in Santa Clara, California…”

The Bottom Line:

Malika Khan is an active Board Member of the Executive Committee of CAIR-SFBA.  The U.S. Department of Justice listed CAIR as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terrorism funding trial – the largest of its kind in American history – which involved millions of dollars raised for the Muslim Brotherhood in “Palestine,” better known as Hamas.    CAIR’s parent organization the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) is among the Muslim Brotherhood’s own list of “organizations and the organizations of our friends” in their Explanatory Memorandum.  CAIR may be in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) for failing to report millions of dollars of donations from foreign sources.  The FBI cut off all contacts with CAIR in 2008 amid mounting concern  group’s roots in a Hamas-support network.

Multiple sources document Mahboob Khan’s role as a founder of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated organizations the Muslim Students Association (MSA) and the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA):

• Addressing the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) conference in 1999, Suhail said:
  

  It is a special honor for me to be here before you today because I am always reminded of the legacy of my father, Dr. Mahboob Khan, an early founder of the Muslim Students Association in the mid-60s and an active member of the organization through its growth and development in the Islamic Society of North America.

• ISNA, the largest Muslim Brotherhood front group in the U.S., gives out a “Dr. Mahboob Khan Community Service Award” at their annual conventions in honor of Suhail’s father.

• An obituary for Mahboob Khan from the May 1999 issue of “Islamic Voice” magazine states: “Dr. Khan was one of the founders of Muslim Students Association of America in 70’s which later became the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA).”

• A second obituary posted at the time of the elder Khan’s death in April 1999 noted that he “served on the Majlis a’Shura of the Islamic Society of North America.” The obituary itself is still available here but the site that hosted it (Musulman.com) appears to be defunct.

• In June 2001 a tribute to Mahboob Khan was posted on Ikhwan.net, the official Arabic-language message board of the Muslim Brotherhood.  It appears to draw on several English-language obituaries including the two referenced above.  An excerpt:

As a student, Dr. Khan helped establish the Muslim Students Association (MSA) which subsequently became the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). He was the Vice President of MSA, the West Zone Representative, and served on the Majilis a’Shura for ISNA.

• The elder Khan helped found the An-Noor Mosque in Santa Clara, CA as chairman of the Muslim Community Association of Santa Clara County.  In October 2001 the San Francisco Chronicle reported that Al-Qaeda Number 2 Ayman al Zawahiri had visited the mosque in the mid-1990′s under an assumed name to obtain funding and recruit followers for the international jihad.

• Convicted al-Qaeda terrorist Abdulrahman Alamoudi highlighted Suhail Khan’s lineage as he presented him an award on behalf of the American Muslim Council (AMC) in 2001:

Suhail Khan is the son of a dear, dear brother who was a pioneer of Islam work himself. Many of you know his late father Mahboob Khan who was part of all kinds of work and Alhamd’allah [thanks to Allah] Suhail inherited from his father not only being a Muslim and a Muslim activist, but also being a Muslim political activist.

Multiple sources including prosecutor’s exhibits from the Holy Land Foundation trial document the origins of the MSA and ISNA in the Muslim Brotherhood’s network:

• The Muslim Brotherhood’s own Explanatory Memorandum (PDF, p.32) identifies the Muslims Students Association (MSA) and the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) by name under the heading “a list of our organizations and the organizations of our friends.”

• U.S. Department of Justice prosecutors named the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) as an “unindicted co-conspirator” (PDF) in the Holy Land Foundation trial, the largest terrorism finance case in U.S. history.

Evasions:

• In a January 2011 letter defending himself to his American Conservative Union (ACU) colleagues, Suhail Khan described his father as simply a “Silicon Valley executive” and cast his own 1999 comments about his father as nothing more than “praise for a devout life.”

• On January 20, 2011 Suhail Khan and Frank Gaffney appeared on the CNN program Anderson Cooper 360 to debate Khan’s Muslim Brotherhood ties:

ANDERSON COOPER:

Mr. Khan, I want to ask you about some of the specific claims that Mr. Gaffney has been making about you. And there are a lot of them. I mean, was your father part of the Muslim Brotherhood?

SUHAIL KHAN:

No, he was not. He was a high tech engineer in the Bay Area. Frank’s allegations go back to ten years. They’re completely false. He’s never had any evidence backing any of these allegations up. Nobody’s ever believed him.

• Suhail Khan “laughs off” the Muslim Brotherhood claims about his father in this January 5, 2011 article at the left-wing blog TPM Muckraker:

One of the claims, which Khan called “laughable,” was that his late father was a founding member of the Muslim Brotherhood. His father was from South India, while the Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt. “It’s very annoying, and especially sad that he would besmirch the memory of my late father.”

• In the 2008 Harbour League debate on Shariah law and the Consitution, Suhail again plays the “racism” card:

For some years now, these racists have tried to invade, to publish outright lies and falsehoods about me, my family, and other Muslim-Americans serving in our country. Not [UNCLEAR] attacked my father’s memory, for example, had the decency to even try and call me and get the facts straight. They wanted their hate. Not the truth. While honest journalists have dismissed this smear campaign, some have been fooled into publishing these lies. And in most instances have published retractions or simply removed the falsehoods outright from their webpages.

The Bottom Line:

Suhail Khan himself and Muslim community publications have confirmed Dr. Mahboob Khan’s significant roles in the MSA and ISNA.  Seized Muslim Brotherhood documents list the MSA and ISNA as the number 1 and 2 affiliates of the MB in North America.  The U.S. Department of Justice named ISNA as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation trial which involved fundraising for Hamas (another MB offshoot).  Dr. Mahboob Khan’s involvement in the Muslim Brotherhood is an incontrovertible fact.

In recently exposed video Adbulrahman Alamoudi can be seen giving a glowing endorsement of Suhail Khan as he prepares to honor him with a plaque from the American Muslim Council (AMC):

When Suhail Khan started not too many people were aware that we had to do something. I am really proud to be with Suhail Khan. Some of you saw in today the White House but inshallah soon you see him in better places in the White House. Inshallah. Maybe sometimes as vice-president soon, inshallah. [APPLAUSE] Allah akbar.

By 2001 there was substantial documentation of Alamoudi’s radicalism and militancy in the public domain:

• In 1998 the New York Post reported that Alamoudi had stated “If we are outside this country, we can say, ‘Oh, Allah, destroy America’” at a pro-Hamas convention in Chicago.

• At an anti-Israel event outside the White House in 2000, Alamoudi openly voiced support for terrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah, saying, “Anybody a supporter of Hamas here?  Hear that Bill Clinton!  We are all supporters of Hamas!  Allahu Akbar!”

In 2004 Alamoudi was sentenced to 23 years in federal prison for his role in an al-Qaeda and Libyan plot to assassinate the Saudi royal family.

Evasions:

In a January 2011 letter to the ACU board, Suhail Khan defended his appearance with Alamoudi with the following statement:

In the New York Post Paul Spery [sic] attacks me for speaking to the American Muslim Council (AMC) and to being the recipient of their award: I was sent by the White House and was speaking there on behalf of the President. The person who introduced me (Mr. Alamoudi) was years later convicted of carrying money overseas on behalf of opponents of the Saudi monarchy. I had no choice in who introduced me.

Bottom Line:

Suhail Khan’s excuse is at best an evasion of responsibility.  Every individual has the prerogative to say “no,” even employees of the U.S. president, when their duties conflict with their values.  It is perhaps understandable, though still incompetent, that a Republican administration in the pre-9/11 era was fooled by a clever Alamoudi that the American Muslim Council was a moderate group.  It is inexcusable for a Muslim-American political activist such as Suhail Khan – a professed expert on the subject of Islam in America – to be unaware of Abdulrahman Alamoudi’s ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

In this situation Suhail Khan, as a member of the Muslim community, should not only have refused to accept the award and speak at the event, but should have warned the Bush administration about the true nature of Alamoudi and the AMC in his duty as a high-placed federal official and a loyal American citizen.

Notice also that Khan describes Alamoudi’s crime as “carrying money overseas on behalf of opponents of the Saudi monarchy,” as if Alamoudi was a liberal trying to free Saudis from a tyrannical regime.  The reality is that Alamoudi opposed the Saudi regime because they were not Shariah-compliant enough.

Khan has consistently argued that Shariah is benign and compatible with U.S. law and society.  The following excerpts from the debate are representative of Khan’s overall thesis that Shariah is “interpretive” and that there is a viable “American version” of Shariah that is consistent with the Constitution:

Shariah itself is not antithetical to democracy or modernism, because, again, it’s interpretive…

…when it comes to Shariah, Frank called it a black box, which somehow some mysterious scholars out there who are trying to define Islam for everybody else and [make] people, whether they’re Muslim or otherwise, follow it blindly. That’s not the case. Shariah means “the way” in Arabic. And it’s an interpretive law that governs the protection of religion, life and property for Muslims. And it’s specific to Muslims. There is no strict static set of laws in Shariah…

Khan gives specific examples of “reformist Islamic scholars” who in his view are creating a legitimate American form of Shariah:

There are, there are several Islamic scholars… again, these medieval interpretations… And there are modern ones: Khaled Abou el-Fadl, a graduate of Yale University, University of Pennsylvania Law School and a PhD. graduate of Princeton University, currently at UCLA, is developing a book on Shariah. And Sheik Hamza Yusef, whom Frank called a Wahabbi. He is developing a book on Shariah and he also has a seminary… They do exist. And they have Shariah and they have developed Shariah specific to the American context. They are graduates of the schools in the Muslim world and they’re graduates of schools here in the United States. And just as I said, they have taken the interpretation of Islamic texts, the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, and they have integrated that into a Shariah-compliant, constitutionally compliant program for American Muslims to live their lives under the Constitution, in no way abrogating the Constitution, and in no way running up against the Constitution, but just living their lives under the free principle that all of us Americans can do to practice our faith freely. That is what their principles are.

Sheik Hamza Yusef was invited to consultations at the White House in the aftermath of 9/11 by characters such as former insider – and current imprisoned al-Qaeda terrorist – Abdulrahman Al-Amoudi.  Yusef’s “moderate” image is belied by his on-the-record radical statements.

• In 2004 the Khaleej Times quoted Yusef as saying: “Jihad is actually considered a Rahma (mercy) in Islam. If there is an oppressor and there is Jihad to stop his oppression, it is a mercy on him (the oppressor).”

• When asked about the roots of Islamic rage, Yusef said, referencing the Israel/Hezbollah war of 2006:

If you had one word to describe the root of all this rage, it’s humiliation. Arabs in particular are extremely proud people. If you look at what happened in Lebanon recently, the Arabs kind of raised their head– they think it’s a big victory, the fact that their whole country was destroyed and over a thousand people were killed, many of them children. Why is it a victory? Because they fought back. That’s all. “OK, you can crush us into the Earth, but you’re not going to get us to submit.” And I think that’s deeply rooted in Muslim consciousness, the idea of not submitting to anything other than God.

• Yusef’s views also conflict with basic American concepts such as the drive to better oneself and society through progress, and the concept of free market capitalism:

Muslims do not believe in progress. Progress is completely antithetical to the Islamic doctrine. Muslims believe that human society reached its pinnacle in Medina in the 7th century. This is the best society that has ever existed. The verse which says “Today We have completed your Religion…” made Umar (ra) weep because he realized that nothing is ever completed except that it begins to decrease.

If the goal of life is to establish Deen, then that is the highest progress that humans can achieve and therefore all this modern technological madness is an exteriorization of the human impulse to know…

…Western technology is based on the exploitation of the other 90 percent of the world. All our wonderful technological achievements are based on the rest of the world living in abject poverty. Through enjoying the fruits of Western technology, we are in fact participating in the destruction of indigenous cultures all over the world and the impoverishment of those people.

Evasions:

At the 2008 Harbour League Club debate Suhail Khan offered the following defenses on his position:

In recent years, and especially since the horrifying events of 9-11, racists have falsely claimed that my faith commands its followers to violence. Some, like [Robert] Spencer, have taken… out-of-context quotations from the Koran to suggest that Islam sanctions violence or terrorism.

Here Khan resorts to the “racism” canard often used by Shariah-adherent Muslims and their leftist apologists to distort the issue at hand.  Shariah is a body of law created from the Quran, Hadiths and the precedents of Islamic jurisprudence: in essence, it is an ideology, not a race.

When I spoke at the Council for National Policy last year, a woman asked me whether my religious beliefs and practice was consistent with our Constitution. Her question was sad. The first amendment is quite clear, that all Americans are free to worship as they wish. No one is disqualified from citizenship or high office because they are Catholics, Jews, Muslims, or Mormons.

More dissimulation.  The woman asked whether Islamic belief and practice (i.e. Shariah) was consistent with the Constitution.  Of course freedom of conscience, belief and private religious practice is guaranteed by the Constitution for professing Muslims and all other Americans.  The question is whether the broader dictates of Shariah as a comprehensive ideological/political program conflict with the Constitution, and Mr. Khan sidestepped that issue.

The Bottom Line:

Shariah is a comprehensive theological, political and military ideology that lies in direct contradiction to the U.S. Constitution in myriad ways, which is the basis of a recent study conducted by a group of leading national security and intelligence experts known collectively as Team B II: “Shariah: The Threat to America.” Khan’s conflation of Shariah with an individual Muslim’s right to freedom of thought, conscience, worship and speech is a common tactic of Muslim Brotherhood front groups like CAIR.

• The Free Dictionary defines a “mujahid” as “Muslim engaged in what he considers to be a jihad.”

• Wiktionary identifies the etymology of “mujahid” to be derived as: “one who wages holy war as a religious duty.”

The plural form of “mujahid” is “mujahideen.”

• Encyclopedia Britannica defines “mujahideen” as “those engaged in jihad… In its broadest sense, those Muslims who proclaim themselves warriors for the faith.”

• The State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations includes “Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)” and “Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK).”